The Broken Economics of Organ Transplants

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References:
[1] optn.transplant.hrsa.gov/data/view-data-reports/national-data/#
[2] optn.transplant.hrsa.gov/resources/allocation-calculators/epts-calculator/
[3] www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/nephrectomy/expert-answers/kidney-donation/faq-20057997
[4] www.pennmedicine.org/updates/blogs/transplant-update/2019/march/5-quick-facts-about-organ-donation
[5] optn.transplant.hrsa.gov/members/regions/region-3/; optn.transplant.hrsa.gov/members/regions/region-9/
[6] www.cuimc.columbia.edu/news/study-finds-link-between-income-and-organ-transplant-access
[7] www.statnews.com/2016/08/25/organ-donation-kidneys-iran/; data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GNP.PCAP.CD?locations=IR
[8] www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2322914/
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crazygame crafter
crazygame crafter Prieš 4 dienas
Yes criticize capitalism more
LANBros
LANBros Prieš 7 dienų
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Colette Sini
Colette Sini Prieš 14 dienų
Idea: We commercialize, but for the people who didn't get a transplant after a certain amount of time, they don't pay as much and the hospital and/or government pays the other part.
John Moore
John Moore Prieš 16 dienų
I personally think it wouldn’t be a bad idea for the government to incentivize organ donation by giving money to the next of kin if you were to die in a situation in which your organs could be used. You don’t benefit but you can help your family once you’re gone, this also doesn’t change the fact that the allocation is based on need. All you’re doing is increasing supply by increasing the amount of people enrolled. Or if you asked me a smart thing to do would make organ donation default by law and allow people to opt out, rather than the present reverse system.
sup king
sup king Prieš 17 dienų
Lets just hurry up and make fake organs
Norrotaku
Norrotaku Prieš mėn
I wonder how Covid changed the "young donor organ" market
Norrotaku
Norrotaku Prieš mėn
I wouldn't take the pineapple if I wasn't hungry or if I already had one or if I had the chance to get one every day
Nacho Perez
Nacho Perez Prieš mėn
There’s also the option of registering everyone as an organ donor by default. Which also increases abundance and decrease fairness
Stephen Fazekas
Stephen Fazekas Prieš mėn
There's stock footage of a dr counting money next to a organ cooler?
AndreaLuise Ca.
AndreaLuise Ca. Prieš mėn
i DONT WANNA HAVE people inmy lief who are only sick stalker = people which i have NO T INVITED a bLamage who's this "Master" of Disaster?
AndreaLuise Ca.
AndreaLuise Ca. Prieš mėn
life
k y
k y Prieš mėn
Epic
MatGE
MatGE Prieš 2 mėnesius
Thought this was anout switzerland... disapointed... 😜 jk its just that your thumbnail is the wrong color
Ondřej Foršt
Ondřej Foršt Prieš 2 mėnesius
The example with pineapples is misleading. Let's substitute pineapple for a luxury yacht. I would realllly like to have a yacht, but even with all my money combined I can't afford one. On the other hand a rich person might sort of want a yacht and buy it for a fraction of his wealth. Doesn't feel quite the same way, as stealing pineapples from poor people by the one percenters.
B Y M
B Y M Prieš 2 mėnesius
We just gonna ignore the fact that theres 300 billion pineapples in the world
Sam-pie
Sam-pie Prieš 2 mėnesius
I think you should be registered as an organ donor from the day you're born with the option to opt out, not the other way around
Morita Hadad
Morita Hadad Prieš 2 mėnesius
The tense crocodile electronmicroscopically tug because swordfish neuroanatomically disarm unlike a cynical married. utopian, orange composition
Laurent Saint-Pierre
Laurent Saint-Pierre Prieš 2 mėnesius
Great content, raises interesting questions
Isaac Siao
Isaac Siao Prieš 2 mėnesius
The feeble feigned silica essentially colour because jason evidently tie through a weak flugelhorn. jagged, gainful kayak
Onetwo Threefour
Onetwo Threefour Prieš 2 mėnesius
wendover production is a dirty commie confirmed goddamn socialists are willing to kill more people just so that their system prevails over the capitalism, absolutely disgusting
Conrad Hintz
Conrad Hintz Prieš 2 mėnesius
Seeing someone you recognize in the stock footage feels weird.
Niall Walsh
Niall Walsh Prieš 2 mėnesius
The US has a system where you can't move organs between arbitrary regions for reasons that aren't quite explained, but can jump the queue by flying into another region on a private jet. The only alternative is to have a system where a rich person pays a poor person to quite literally have their guts ripped open. These are the only two options. Therefore, a fair system is not possible.
Kaviraj Sivarajah
Kaviraj Sivarajah Prieš 2 mėnesius
Fail to mention an opt out solution that increases supple
AJ Dexter
AJ Dexter Prieš 2 mėnesius
Thank you NHS, also I’m a organ donor and I’m pretty sure it’s mandatory now. When I die weather that’s in 3 weeks or hopefully 70+ years someone will make use of my organs, another reason to stay healthy . If you drink a lot of alcohol or eat a lot of fatty foods, Whether it’s a fatty liver or a damaged heart. So keep your organs nice and clean because if you die in a freak accident (car crash, or ran over) Your organs can be used to save others. Just make sure you’re not overweight and drink plenty of water, Keep your organs healthy they keep you healthy. Also minimises the risk of you needing an organ transplant which put even more strain on the list.
Tomas Goes
Tomas Goes Prieš 2 mėnesius
"You cannot increase supply"? Wikipedia: "List of mass murders in the past years (This list is incomplete, *you can help by expanding it* ).
Dexter Dextrow
Dexter Dextrow Prieš 2 mėnesius
Well, maybe I don't want your shoddy pineapple, how about that? Yea, I shot down your intire argument.
Snippy
Snippy Prieš 2 mėnesius
I am 28 years old, reliant on dialysis and waiting on a kidney. But since i'm quit well im happy to wait like 6 more yeas for an ethically transplant. AMA :D
Lucas Liso
Lucas Liso Prieš 2 mėnesius
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't paying people to donate blood also prey on desperate people to sell their blood?
Vilja
Vilja Prieš 2 mėnesius
Yup, though blood donations aren't as malicious because blood donation is far less likely to result in health complications than giving up a kidney and there is (or should be in responsible places) a limit to how often you can donate which further ensures the donation doesn't put people at risk. Kinda relevant: this is also why many places forbid monetary compensation for surrogate pregnancies.
Shoriful Haque
Shoriful Haque Prieš 2 mėnesius
12:03 That's a tough question mate. It's not easy to come up with an answer.
ron landau
ron landau Prieš 2 mėnesius
What about a system you pay to a pot of donation compensation, and for any donation you get the ratio between the pot and the waiting list?
Evan Roden
Evan Roden Prieš 2 mėnesius
It should be noted that New York also has the lowest rate of organ donation members (37%}, compared to other states (Montana is 99%)
Taiwan is a country
Taiwan is a country Prieš 2 mėnesius
Fairness over money. I am poor guy in Denmark. I only have a chance in this life because of equal opportunities here. I am an organ donor, I applied as soon as I returned from studying in Beijing. I was 24 back then. I support the Australian model. Where you need to report to be taken off the list. What happend in Beijing was a teacher was asking me and a fellow student if there was anything she could do for her friend's father who had stage 4 liver cancer. She told us that the hospital demanded 160 thousand Yuan for a liver, but that they could get it within a week. Firstly, yes China does commit organ harvesting for profit. Secondly, we had to tell her, that it would be a waste of money, since it was stage 4.
Daniel Survivor
Daniel Survivor Prieš 2 mėnesius
11:48 "inequality" is a vague term you keep using. So long as the organ transplants are legal and made on voluntary basis, it's fair.
Daniel Survivor
Daniel Survivor Prieš 2 mėnesius
3:54 I love how even in the video where you try to demonize free market healthcare, you still manage to point out huge flaws as to why Government solution is worse. Aka long wait times. You realise they're that long because of *Government?* 10:55 You realise that "free" healthcare insurance comes out of OUR taxpayer currency?! So unless the recipient somehow is the only one who pays for the donors "free" healthcare insurance. That means people who had nothing to do with that transaction, have to pay extra in taxes.
Vilja
Vilja Prieš 2 mėnesius
US could afford free healthcare for everyone with no increases to taxes by simply moving a fraction of its military budget to something humane. Why should having money mean you get better healthcare? What makes rich individuals more deserving of life?
Kolbe Mueller
Kolbe Mueller Prieš 2 mėnesius
If they give it to the person who pays more they can use the money for research to make synthetic organs
Umer Yazdani
Umer Yazdani Prieš 2 mėnesius
Cmon man he just wants the pineapple
Ernst Schmidt
Ernst Schmidt Prieš 2 mėnesius
"you can't increase supply without commoditizing organs" then what about reducing organ donation barriers/restrictions? like opt-out systems. you did mention the usual barriers to donation in the video but forgot that option for the sake of argument.
Ivan abdurrofi Al hakim
Ivan abdurrofi Al hakim Prieš 2 mėnesius
China definitely did not harvest organs that came from Falun Gong and nothing happened at 1989 in Tiananmen Square.
Robin Sui
Robin Sui Prieš 2 mėnesius
How can we solve systematic inequality amongst organ recipients? Wendover productions: "by allowing those that are the most affected by poverty to sell off their organs for half a years wages"
insertcleverphrasehere
insertcleverphrasehere Prieš 2 mėnesius
What if the government paid people who were willing to donate? That removes the gatekeeping of rich people being the only ones who can afford a kidney. Poor people would still be the vast majority of living donors, but at least the transplant list would be highly bolstered. The government could change how much it offered so as to pay as little as possible to get enough organs.
James Corwin
James Corwin Prieš 2 mėnesius
10:19 "exasterbates.....love this new word. Using it.
Nathan Holmes-King
Nathan Holmes-King Prieš 2 mėnesius
When self-driving cars become commonplace, there will be a massive shortage of young and healthy organ donors.
Adityachk2002
Adityachk2002 Prieš 2 mėnesius
I love this channel
Pop Fan
Pop Fan Prieš 2 mėnesius
I had liver cancer and had to get a transplant. In a miracle we got the call 6 hours after being on the list.
Synth Sol
Synth Sol Prieš 2 mėnesius
Why don’t we let abortions grow a little larger (in laboratories) so their deaths can save many lives
BIZKIT551
BIZKIT551 Prieš 2 mėnesius
3:30 but in China it's the opposite because of forced organ harvesting.. but that's a subject for another story.
stolenshortsword
stolenshortsword Prieš 2 mėnesius
sam really gonna show footage of an open heart surgery on video huh
Madtrack
Madtrack Prieš 3 mėnesius
Have it so the government, buys ownership of the Organ for a flat fee, and then gives it out to people on a list
Steven Adams
Steven Adams Prieš 3 mėnesius
The sloppy recorder respectively wrestle because wound accordingly scrape failing a grumpy giant. shivering, impolite stone
Cpt. Crash
Cpt. Crash Prieš 3 mėnesius
65yrs old ... veteran.. type 2 diabetes.. already had one kidney transplant.. lasted a crazy 19 yrs before going bad ... what would his score be on getting another?
SangoProductions213
SangoProductions213 Prieš 3 mėnesius
"Everyone can either be equally poor and dead, or they can be unequal." Oh boy. What a hard choice.
Billy Metokur
Billy Metokur Prieš 3 mėnesius
China got spares so I’m not worried
TheDarrylJohnsonShow
TheDarrylJohnsonShow Prieš 3 mėnesius
Nice, let more people die so we can feel good about fairness.
Johan Danielsson
Johan Danielsson Prieš 3 mėnesius
I would propose a third option: allocate donated organs based on need, but let the government buy for example kidneys from living donors. That way, more people in need of organs can be helped, at the same time as the poor and desperate who sell their organs can have it done in the relative safety of a proper hospital, instead of getting cut up in shady backalley clinics.
Alexander Balabanov
Alexander Balabanov Prieš 3 mėnesius
I think Israeli stock footage sites are cheaper according to Sam's videos
Rorisang Monaledi
Rorisang Monaledi Prieš 3 mėnesius
One thing I never considered until the pineapple analogy about 1 min into this video was the illusion of scarcity. Like we know that most food in the world goes to waste purely because of logistics and distribution inefficiencies. We also have more wastage in homes and restaurants etc that throw away “excess.” We know diamonds aren’t all that rare and I could go on but what if resources truly aren’t as scarce was we perceive them to be just badly managed on a ‘macroeconomic’ scale. Alternative uses and recycling are also another factor that has become a cliche but lowkey may have good reason because it’s rather sensible. I don’t necessarily think resources are scarce so much as we have been conditioned to consume ad infinitum. Although it seems like they’re one in the same.
noNewFriends
noNewFriends Prieš 3 mėnesius
Some of this B-Roll is hilarious
Nicholas Prantil
Nicholas Prantil Prieš 3 mėnesius
A sentence that I’ve never heard before - “I wish we did things here the same way they do in Iran!”
Brian Loper
Brian Loper Prieš 3 mėnesius
Help me understand something... does this mean legalizing passive euthanasia would help to improve this system? Since typically you would need a nurse practitioner or someone. It doesn't seem like it'd be too much of a stretch to move that to a clinic if the organs could be used that way. Better than offing yourself and no one finding your body until everything is ruined.
bananaman22
bananaman22 Prieš 3 mėnesius
This video si based of a misunderstanding of how the system works anyway, unless hes North Korean or China CCP.
Addari Purna
Addari Purna Prieš 3 mėnesius
I'm sell my kidney my blood group o postive my number 6281320006
Erga Ster
Erga Ster Prieš 4 mėnesius
Lab grown organs is having a lot of progress in recent years. It's forecasted that in 30-40 years time some lab-made organs will be able to fully function safely inside a human. But it will likely take up to 75 years untill capacity can provide enough organs for people and also cover more organs. Future generations will be blessed with fewer risk and diseases and longer life-spans. Will be very interresting to see what future holds up for us, but sadly many of us wont live long enough to benefit it :p
Chopperdragon39
Chopperdragon39 Prieš 4 mėnesius
so people, don't be selfish and donate your organs after death
Chopperdragon39
Chopperdragon39 Prieš 3 mėnesius
@BankBucket2 ikr
BankBucket2
BankBucket2 Prieš 3 mėnesius
ik, what the fuck do u need em for after u die? dont understand why everyone doesnt do that
DarkClarity
DarkClarity Prieš 4 mėnesius
I wonder what would happen if a dual system existed. Where you could either donate for money. Which means only someone rich will get it and will pay you. Or donate for free where you know the person getting it is one in need. This could go very bad or better than either system. or just like one of the systems (probably the donating for money one where no one would use the second option)
Julie
Julie Prieš 4 mėnesius
Why not have 2 systems? A dead donor list and a living donor market? The death donor market goes by need as normal (for people who cannot pay) and a living donor market for those who can. Because let’s be honest very few people are going to donate a kidney without compensation so now poor people can get a kidney (slowly though) but more people can be saved due to the paid system
Cheezumz002
Cheezumz002 Prieš 4 mėnesius
I had to wait 4.5yrs for my kidney. I ended up getting it when I was 24 and the donor was sadly a deceased 23yr old.
Simon Poulsen
Simon Poulsen Prieš 4 mėnesius
Let people sell their organs post mortem as a "life insurance" for their relatives instead of just allowing the state to harvest them for free. That would surely boost supply of organs.
Jacob Brunberg
Jacob Brunberg Prieš 4 mėnesius
2:51 where the hell do you find a stock video of someone counting money next to a box of human organs? Like how did the company come up with that idea?
Eric Camp
Eric Camp Prieš 4 mėnesius
Who makes the scenes of transferring cash from patient to doctor immediately LMAO
Charlie Verleysen
Charlie Verleysen Prieš 4 mėnesius
Hi guys
RITESH SHINDE
RITESH SHINDE Prieš 4 mėnesius
This video keeps jumping between left and right quadrants.
hdhsnsndnd
hdhsnsndnd Prieš 4 mėnesius
libtard
Nexarius
Nexarius Prieš 5 mėnesių
lol of course you can buy organs with money. David Rockefeller had 7 (!) heart transplants.
Robert Garcia
Robert Garcia Prieš 5 mėnesių
“This system has no way to increase supply when demand is higher” China has entered the chat 😈
A Filthy Casual
A Filthy Casual Prieš 5 mėnesių
Maybe there's a middle ground in terms of incentivization; like Singapore which makes you an organ donor by default with an opt-out system--where you're placed last for transplant priority if you aren't a donor. Or a small income tax cut for being an organ donor. Cause tbh I'd rather have an innocent young poor girl get her transplant and live on instead of jackass Chad from some predatory stock trading company buying her out of the transplant so he can go on fucking over more people🤷‍♂️
A Filthy Casual
A Filthy Casual Prieš 5 mėnesių
Commoditizing organs? Ya want "Repo!: The Genetic Opera"? Because that's how you get "Repo!: The Genetic Opera"
Andy
Andy Prieš 5 mėnesių
There is actually a similar problem with donating blood. In countries that have outlawed paid blood donations (i.e. effectively selling blood) they have a chronic shortage. Infact Australia, Canada, UK and NZ have to import most of their blood from the US where it's legal to sell.
Andy
Andy Prieš 5 mėnesių
You can fix the supply problems without fixing the demand ones and most of the problem will be solved. Still have an organ lists so there is equitable distribution. Just as long as people can be paid to sell their organs. Or even sell their organs once they die and their family receives the benefit. The main problem is it is illegal to sell organs.
Dulat Bekbolsynov
Dulat Bekbolsynov Prieš 5 mėnesių
There is a (partial) solution in the middle. Compensate living donors for the costs associated with donation. Currently, if someone wants to donate a kidney to someone they love or to a stranger, they have to undergo clinical evaluation, take time off at work, travel, lodge and recover all by themselves. This costs thousands of dollars and is one of factors limiting the supply of organs. American laws don't prohibit compensating organ donors all these expenses, and there are organizations that try to do that. But more needs to be done.
goose121
goose121 Prieš 5 mėnesių
Okay but when you offer somebody 100 pineapples they are more likely to respond "What? What the heck am I going to do with 100 pineapples? Can I just have like, 2? Maybe 3?" The fact is, people will take enough of things to satisfy their needs, but not more than that (unless they can sell the extra because under capitalism they need to have money in order to get what they need in the future)
Corona light
Corona light Prieš 5 mėnesių
My sister works in a hospital and said if your a organ donor and are near death doctors don’t try as hard to help you survive because your organs worth more to them than you are.
Clint S.
Clint S. Prieš 5 mėnesių
inequality is ok
NeutralityTsar
NeutralityTsar Prieš 5 mėnesių
There's actually about 300 billion pineapples in the world, but point taken.
Yoni Krotenberg
Yoni Krotenberg Prieš 5 mėnesių
in Israel, if you have an Organ Donor card then you get ahead in the line for a donation, if you willing to give you are more likely to get
cherryclan1
cherryclan1 Prieš 5 mėnesių
Then there’s the flip side where the hospital actually puts pressure on the families of patients whose death would meet the criteria for organ donation to remove them from life support. There are some disturbing stories about this. Hospitals make good money from the surgeries involved.
TurtleSauceGaming
TurtleSauceGaming Prieš 5 mėnesių
Why not, rather than an open market, incentive organ donation by providing monetary contribution to those who offer themselves as organ donors upon death, not to the individual, but to the estate, helping with funeral costs, debt payments, etc.
Kuribo Kutsu
Kuribo Kutsu Prieš 5 mėnesių
I think its disallowed to "pay for organs" not just because this will cause "rich lives, poor dies", but also because of illegal "organ ripping". Black market for organs already exists. Cases of "you wake up in ice with one kidney less" is real (yet rare). Or other possibility - poor peoples selling their organs for money...that a grim future. Anyway, transplantation sucks. That we really need to do is experiment with cells, genes, grow artificial organs or go full fledged cyborgs!
Sleeve
Sleeve Prieš 5 mėnesių
Breed humans specifically for organ harvest. problem solved! Morality be damned 🙃🙃
Evan Dugas
Evan Dugas Prieš 5 mėnesių
We could do a system where the state buys organs people are willing to sell. It would still be unequal with poorer people being put in a place where they can sell there organs and exploit them but it would bring down the waiting list.
Wings-Of-Gaming 9
Wings-Of-Gaming 9 Prieš 5 mėnesių
Genetically Manufactured Organs.
Asher Kobin
Asher Kobin Prieš 5 mėnesių
Doesn't sound broken, It sounds like "the best possible that is acceptable"
Dwight House
Dwight House Prieš 5 mėnesių
Put me down for wanting to save more lives at the expense of "equality". Equality doesn't exist and never will, so there is no loss in not achieving the impossible. To say nothing of the fact that in uncompensated organ donation schemes, the person who gives up their organ is literally the only person involved in making the procedure happen that is not being paid, unlike the doctors, nurses, transportation specialists, hospital staff, and so on.
Amal Irfan KC
Amal Irfan KC Prieš 5 mėnesių
This makes one thing clear. *You don't want an organ failure,* so live healthy.
Comrade Dyatlov
Comrade Dyatlov Prieš 5 mėnesių
Come here to South Africa where organ transplants are free at public hospitals. Obviously there's a large waiting list, but it's still 100% free
M@tt
M@tt Prieš 6 mėnesių
I want a pineapple.
John K Lindgren
John K Lindgren Prieš 6 mėnesių
*BTW! Wendover MBA Dudes! You should NOT have used the PINEAPPLE or ANANAS **1:19** as the Free World calls it, since it according to a LANCET 2009 article induces it THe HAIRY TONGUE SYNDROME and ACIDITY as side effects. Same goes for the popular PINEAPPLE JUICE served FREE at hotels. Please refrain from drinking it. Bangkok-Johnnie the Jumper* ltlost.info/put/vaizdo-ra-as/r4mPsLWtf6exbZs
N. M.
N. M. Prieš 3 mėnesius
lol what
John K Lindgren
John K Lindgren Prieš 6 mėnesių
*Sutt Yooot! As we say In Thailand. Merci infiniment. Johnnie de Bangkok* ltlost.info/put/vaizdo-ra-as/aq6or899orCubag
Ocean's Wonders
Ocean's Wonders Prieš 6 mėnesių
Wow. What a tough subject to tackle.
Carl Blomgren
Carl Blomgren Prieš 6 mėnesių
For an organ (like the kidney) where the issue is that most people have one they could donate, but no incentive to do it; couldn't you create the system that the person is paid money for the organ AND receives a 'credit' that if they ever need a kidney transplant, they're placed at the top priority to receive one? This would allow people to be compensated for giving something they currently don't need, while also insuring, that if they consumed that compensation, they'd still receive their own replacement in the future without providing compensation. This would allow many people to donate and receive compensation, while protecting the poorest that might find themselves in the situation of needing a transplant.
Gacheru Mburu
Gacheru Mburu Prieš 6 mėnesių
👍
The Liamster
The Liamster Prieš 6 mėnesių
One of my biggest fears is needing a blood transfusion or an organ transplant and there is none available.
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